The Official Off Season MLB Thread

[Doc Holiday]

Originally Posted by OPEY

yes of course i admit the mets management has made TONS of bad moves over the years.. just look at how they destroyed their late 80's championship caliber teams, into the debacle of the early 90's with guys like bonilla and vince coleman. but unlimited money means the team has a shot every single year. there will never be a rebuilding year. a team like the marlins comes around once in a blue, but maybe u havent noticed what happens to a team like that the next year? they are back in last place, because they cant resign the players they had and cant bring in any new ones. so without huge payroll its not impossible to win, but its pretty much impossible to be a consistant title contender.

the knicks are not fucked because of the salary cap.. the salary cap was there before they got into trouble. the knicks are fucked because of bad management and bad contracts. if there was no salary cap, they could just waive the players they dont need that are making crazy money (think marbury, curry, jefferies, etc) and pay whatever for all stars. now yes that sounds great to a knicks fan, but it just dont work that way. u also cant pay an nba player 30 million a year, when the cap is 55 million

you just proved the point I was trying to make.Without that cap the knicks could get out of the basement it can make up for having idiots running the organization..The cap can work to your advantage or be a disadvantage.Any way it will probably make you happy to know that the Yanks because of all the money they've spent this year,they're trying to down size the payroll and they're hands are gonna be tied for a couple of years.

[OPEY]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

you just proved the point I was trying to make.Without that cap the knicks could get out of the basement.The cap can work to your advantage or be a disadvantage.Any way it will probably make you happy to know that because of all the money they've spent this year,they're trying to down size the payroll and they're hands are gonna be tied for a couple of years.

lol yea, thats because at this point they dont need anyone else. theyre coming off a championship, only losing matsui, damon, and pettite which they will probably bring back at least 2 of those 3, and theyve got an all star at almost every position already

[Bigvic4545]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

wow Paul O'neil,Tino Martinez,David Cone,Jimmy key,David wells,Roger Clemens,Chili Davis,Cecil Fielder,Wade Boggs,Tim Raines,John Wettland,Dwight Gooden,Darryl Strawberry were all nobodies huh?Guess you haven't been watching baseball for that long.

lol you call these guys superstars??? Aside from Clemens and the year Tino had in 1997 (i believe 44hrs)i wouldnt consider those guys superstars.

**Oneil, key, Wells, Chilli Davis (lol), Fielder, Boggs, Raines, Wettland, Gooden, and Strawberry were all ending their careers on a decline in the late 90's. So yes the yankees won with a bunch nobodys like Ricky Ledee, Shane Spencer, chuck knoublauch, charlie hayes,chad curtis and a bunch of old players ending their career.

BTW i dont know how old u r but i know the baseball history book like it was the palm of my hand.

[Bigvic4545]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

And that's also why you don't win as often.And I'll bet you the sox open up those wallets because they're not gonna sit back and watch the Yanks pull away.And so you know the Yanks have one of the best farms systems also.And Dice K hadn't proven jack shit in the Majors to warrant giving up 56 million just to say hello.

Dice K hasnt proven anything ???? How bout going 37-20 with a 4.00 era in his 3 years pitching in the big leagues. Not just the big leagues but the AL East...the toughest division in all of baseball...How bout going 18-3 in 2008. The only thing that has hurt him so far is the base on balls. Come on man look at stats b4 you talk.

[chigwa]

Originally Posted by Bigvic4545

Dice K hasnt proven anything ???? How bout going 37-20 with a 4.00 era in his 3 years pitching in the big leagues. Not just the big leagues but the AL East...the toughest division in all of baseball...How bout going 18-3 in 2008. The only thing that has hurt him so far is the base on balls. Come on man look at stats b4 you talk.

doc is gona have something ready for this trust me lolz

[Doc Holiday]

Originally Posted by Bigvic4545

Dice K hasnt proven anything ???? How bout going 37-20 with a 4.00 era in his 3 years pitching in the big leagues. Not just the big leagues but the AL East...the toughest division in all of baseball...How bout going 18-3 in 2008. The only thing that has hurt him so far is the base on balls. Come on man look at stats b4 you talk.

Read carefully what I wrote before you start running off at the mouth.I said he hadn't proven anything in MLB to deserve them paying 56 million just to say hello.What part of that don't you understand?I never once said he wasn't a great pitcher.You were talking shit about the yanks spending money like nothing(that is true)
but the sox gave 56 million just to talk to a guy who had never thrown an inning in America.I know he's a great pitcher and has proven it.That wasn't the point I was trying to make.The ridiculous money spending by others teams other than the yanks is what I was making a point about.And if you want to trace the roots of were all this ridiculous spending started,it all started with the texas rangers giving a rod that big contract in the first place.No one including the Yanks were giving any one that kind of money until then.

[OPEY]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

And if you want to trace the roots of were all this ridiculous spending started,it all started with the texas rangers giving a rod that big contract in the first place.No one including the Yanks were giving any one that kind of money until then.

and then 3 years later they realized they couldnt afford to put a decent team around him since he was hogging up 25 mill a year. thats the difference between the yankees and pretty much everyone else

[Doc Holiday]

Originally Posted by Bigvic4545

lol you call these guys superstars??? Aside from Clemens and the year Tino had in 1997 (i believe 44hrs)i wouldnt consider those guys superstars.

**Oneil, key, Wells, Chilli Davis (lol), Fielder, Boggs, Raines, Wettland, Gooden, and Strawberry were all ending their careers on a decline in the late 90's. So yes the yankees won with a bunch nobodys like Ricky Ledee, Shane Spencer, chuck knoublauch, charlie hayes,chad curtis and a bunch of old players ending their career.

BTW i dont know how old u r but i know the baseball history book like it was the palm of my hand.

My man you're just proving that you don't know as much as you think you do.Those players were on the decline but every player I mentioned had an illustrious career and had alot of baseball left in theier tanks.Therefore they are not nobodies.You're trying to make it seem as if the 90's yanks won with scrubs and bums.That's what I would believe a no body is,What about you? And so you know I'm 39 years old and I know baseball history also and not by reading books but by watching the game.

[Doc Holiday]

Originally Posted by OPEY

and then 3 years later they realized they couldnt afford to put a decent team around him since he was hogging up 25 mill a year. thats the difference between the yankees and pretty much everyone else

That's true but the Rangers were the one's to open that can of worms in the first place.Opey are the Yanks given the money they have or does the organization earn it?

[OPEY]

Originally Posted by Doc Holiday

That's true but the Rangers were the one's to open that can of worms in the first place.Opey are the Yanks given the money they have or does the organization earn it?

yes they earn it but i still think there needs to be some sort of limitations. the luxury tax obviously does nothing to slow down their spending, and isnt helping the other teams. even with revenue sharing, the marlins and teams like that still cant have a 100 million payroll